‘Queen of Versailles’ Jackie Siegel enjoys ‘Wife Swap’ sequel

Hal BoedekerContact Reporter

Orlando Sentinel

 There’s a surprising sequel to “Celebrity Wife Swap”: Jackie Siegel, known as the “Queen of Versailles,” and actor Jeremy London became close friends.

If you saw the ABC reality show last year, you might think they parted on rocky terms after Siegel switched places briefly with London’s wife.

“That’s entertainment, buddy,” London said Wednesday in an interview at an Orlando mall.

Now they’re collaborating on “Monsters Anonymous,” a short film in which Siegel plays therapist to Dracula, the Mummy and others who are feeling depressed and irrelevant.

Jeremy and his wife, actress Juliet Reeves London, have helped Jackie and David Siegel cope with the loss of daughter Victoria, who died last year at 18 from a toxic mix of prescription medicines.

“We knew them to be extremely wonderful, loving parents,” Jeremy London said. (The Siegels have seven other children.)

“They’ve been a great support for us,” Jackie Siegel said. “Julia loves our children. She’s like a second mom to them.”

Siegel and London talk frequently, and London’s family visits every few months from Ocean Springs, Miss.

Writer-director London said the 20-minute film, shot two weeks ago, is the first project they hope to do. They plan to take the movie to festivals and later release it on the internet. He estimated that 90 percent of the cast are his acting students.

London saw irony in that Siegel is playing the therapist. She agreed. “I’m probably the one who needs the therapy most in real life,” she said.

“We want to get her focused on positive stuff and moving forward,” London said.

“It’s been a rough year since our daughter passed away,” Siegel said.

The family scrapped plans for a reality series after Victoria’s death. “My husband didn’t want to do the show, and my family didn’t want cameras around,” she said. “It didn’t make sense for any of us to start jumping in front of cameras.”

London, who has been frank about his own drug battles, has comforted Siegel. “More than anything is that you survive and things do get better,” he said.

Siegel, who gained fame from the 2012 documentary “Queen of Versailles,” described new projects as her therapy. She has signed with a production company for a show that doesn’t include her children. “It will be about the Queen of Versailles being in Las Vegas,” she said, adding that producers are shopping the project.

She also has signed with an agent to write a book. She wants to “set the record straight” about a lot of things, notably that her husband, the time-share mogul, is doing better than ever financially.

“The press was really hard on us,” she said when they were grieving for their daughter.

But she applauded her husband’s activism on drug issues and said that celebrity has given her a forum to speak out as well, which she did recently in Australia.

“When people see me in person, they say, ‘Oh you’re doing great. How do you do it?’ The thing is you really don’t have much of a choice,” she said. “You just have to deal with it. I have a lot of children I have to be strong for.”

Siegel says she prays regularly at an altar in her house. “It helps me get through it,” she said. “In private I cry at least once a day, but I don’t let anybody see me.”

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Vider le lieu de tout ce qui comporte une infraction à la shari‘a à savoir, par exemple, la présence d’un homme qui porte de l’or ou une femme qui ne porte pas le voile légal – al-hijab. 5. Donner au malade et à sa famille une leçon de dogme de façon à ce que leurs cœurs ne soient pas attachés à un autre qu’Allah. 6. Leur faire savoir que la façon de soigner est différente de celle des sorciers et des charlatans et que le Coran recèle guérison et miséricorde, comme l’a informé Allah le Puissant et le Majestueux. 7. Diagnostiquer son cas : pour cela poser des questions au malade pour s’assurer de la présence de tous les symptômes (…) ». Or, dans les témoignages communiqués, l’interlocuteur qui se présente comme soignant ne pose aucune question aux personnes. Il débute ainsi la « roqya » directement par une récitation du Coran. En outre, il est intéressant de souligner que dans l’un des témoignages communiqués à l’UFCM, l’interlocuteur demandait à la personne de remplir successivement des verres de lait, d’huile, d’eau etc. et de les poser par la suite sur la table de la salle à manger. Au point que la personne s’est retrouvée avec une multitude de verres posés sur la table. Le comble est que la personne ignorait ce qu’elle devait en faire lorsqu’elle a pris conscience de la tromperie. Nous constatons par conséquent qu’une « roqya » ne peut être réalisée dans un environnement quelconque. En effet, une procédure de diagnostic est essentielle. Nous pouvons à titre d’exemple faire le parallèle avec un rendez-vous chez le médecin ; ce dernier ne peut vous prescrire une ordonnance sans au préalable vous avoir ausculté et interrogé sur les différents symptômes que vous ressentez physiquement. A défaut, au lieu de guérir vous allez aggraver vos maux. Cette attitude vigilante du médecin traitant doit se retrouver lorsque nous envisageons le recours à une « roqya ». Pour illustrer ce propos, nous citerons l’exemple de l’anthropologue, spécialiste de l’islam européen, Farid El Asri, chercheur associé au Centre Jacques Berque, qui nous rapporte une situation alarmante suite à une « roqya » : « Une jeune femme en Belgique (…) est morte suite à une tentative d’exorcisme. Pendant les séances, les fkihs (imams) utilisent normalement de l’eau « coranisée ». Pour cette jeune femme, prétendument stérile, les exorcistes ont carrément plongé son visage dans l’eau et quand elle tentait d’en sortir pour respirer, les guérisseurs estimaient qu’il s’agissait du jinn qui l’habitait et ils replongeaient son visage dans l’eau. Pendant le procès, la famille de la défunte s’est présentée comme musulmane et a accusé ces pratiques d’être extérieures à l’islam quand les guérisseurs estimaient qu’ils avaient simplement fait ce qu’ils pouvaient. Le fait de recourir trop systématiquement au fkih risque également de faire passer une crise d’épilepsie, par exemple, pour une crise de possession. »[3] Nous allons aborder enfin la dernière problématique, celle relative aux honoraires du soignant. III- Les honoraires du soignant Le Prophète, bénédictions et salut sur lui, « a agréé les Compagnons qui ont été payés pour la roqya ». Il est dès lors autorisé de rémunérer un soignant en contrepartie d’une prestation. Toutefois, cette rémunération doit être raisonnable et surtout clairement définie avant le traitement. En outre, nous ne pouvons que souligner et rappeler que, si la roqya est réalisée dans un cadre sérieux, il convient de procéder à toutes les déclarations administratives. Comme pour tout contrat, vous devez exiger un document écrit et le praticien doit préciser quels sont ses engagements exacts afin d’éviter tout litige postérieur. Malheureusement, tous les témoignages transmis à l’UFCM soulignent que l’interlocuteur insiste à plusieurs reprises sur la gratuité de la prestation. Or, dans les faits, cette dernière est payante puisque le coût de la communication est surtaxé. Ainsi, l’une des victimes qui nous a contacté, s’est retrouvée avec une facture téléphonique (hors forfait) de 1800 euros. Par conséquent, nous constatons que ces « roqyas » gratuites sont fondées sur la technique dite du « call-back » qui consiste à amener une personne à rappeler un numéro surtaxé, information qui lui est bien évidemment dissimulée. Une « roqya » peut être payante à condition de respecter un cadre prédéterminé, fondé sur l’information et la transparence des honoraires. En conclusion A la lumière des développements susvisés, l’UFCM appelle d’une part à une régulation du métier de la pratique de la « roqya », d’autre part, à la vigilance de chacun à ne pas céder à la tentation d’une « roqya » qui ne serait pas réalisée dans les conditions requises et qui pourrait produire des effets inverses. Au-delà du cadre spirituel ou juridique, les divers témoignages reçus et étudiés par l’UFCM ne peuvent pas nous laisser indifférents à la question suivante : pourquoi des personnes sont-elles amenées à accepter aussi facilement une « roqya » par téléphone ? Est-ce la gratuité qui a déterminé leur choix ? Certes le mal-être produit par cette société est de plus en plus grand. Nous vivons une époque où les êtres sont de plus en plus coupés des signes de Dieu et vivent un rythme de vie effréné. Ces affaires sont révélatrices des maux les plus profonds qui touchent la communauté musulmane. Par ailleurs, comme l’ensemble des rites islamiques (hajj, halal, pompes funèbres) censés nous rappeler les limites qui déterminent la voie vers Dieu, nous constatons que leur marchandisation trahit de plus en plus leur vocation première. Suffit-il qu’un interlocuteur se présente à nous comme un « cheikh » ou un imam et qu’il nous propose une « roqya » gratuite pour l’accepter aussitôt Ne devrions-nous pas tous nous interroger sur le fait qu’il y ait des musulmanes et des musulmans aussi isolés et aussi ignorants de leur propre religion pour être trompés aussi facilement ? Sommes-nous devenus si dépendants des Hommes que nous en oublions de nous adresser directement à Dieu pour solutionner nos malaises ? Autant de questions que chacun d’entre nous a la responsabilité de se poser. En effet, aucun de nous ou de nos proches ne sont à l’abri d’une telle tromperie. 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